We Hope the Last Kachin Alive Continues to be Kachin
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We Hope the Last Kachin Alive Continues to be Kachin


By THE IRRAWADDY Friday, July 22, 2011


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Q: How strong is anti-Burmese sentiment among the Kachin people?

A: When we refer to the Burmese, by that we mean a group of leaders, not the Burmese population. But in terms of culture, we have been slowly engulfed by the Burmese ways. Culturally, we have been forced to become bankrupt under the Burmese rule. We are now left with the Burmese culture only. Our culture has been lost over time.

When you become bankrupt, you start borrowing the culture of others, which is Burmese in this case. Burmese culture is good for the Burmese of course. If I were Burmese, I might like such an idea that the minority groups in Burma are forced to assimilate with the Burmese majority and get rid of their identities. But the problem is we are not Burmese, and the majority don't seem to understand that our culture has its own values. For example, the crossing over the Irrawaddy River in Kachin State's capital of Myitkyina has long been called as Ninggawn Hkrai Wa among us, but when a bridge was built by the Burmese government, it was named Bala Min Htin, the name of a Burmese hero, which does not make sense to our Kachins.

Q: Didn't you face the same sort of cultural imposition under the British rule?


A: Of course, we have become Christians when coming into contact with Western missionary groups. But our previous faith in animism has many things in common with Christianity. Only after we have lived under the Burmese rule, our own style of ruling with Duwas has disappeared and then we lost our state.

But the disappearance of Duwas must also be blamed on our own Kachin leaders as well. Those leaders, as you see, also run away at the sound of gunfire. There were many Duwas up until 1961, when the KIA is founded. It was wrong that those Duwas did not become part of the KIA leadership. We are now left with culture only, which means everything to us. Culture represents our identity as a people and it is our religion too. We are trying to promote our own culture.

Q: What is the future of the Kachin people as a whole?

A: Before we can successfully resist the rule of the government, we have to fight with layers of its proxies. For example, some proxies will be Rawang, Lashi, etc., which are the smaller ethnics in our Kachin State too. Whether we like it or not, we will be forced to fight with those proxies. Until we have fought them off, we will not be able to hit the target. But one sure thing is we should no longer take the injustices lying down and we should stand up for our rights.


Q: There is talk that the KIA will be able fight a successful guerrilla war with the government troops should any political talks fail to take place. How do you think this would play out?

A: Yes, it is true. When the Burmese government troops came in, they needed trucks and porters who would carry the weapons in the jungle. But for us, we don't need them. We only need to provide a packet meal and a lighter to our soldiers, who would then be ready to fight with the government soldiers. In terms of weaponry, we are quite inferior. But we only regret that we have not taken good strongholds like those of the UWSA (United Wa State Army, the largest ethnic armed group in the east of Burma). There are very good places to build such strongholds in our Kachin State, which we have not prepared for war due to our ignorance.



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Goldern Sparrow Wrote:
02/08/2011
Little suggestion To - bwanyunt, Zawgyi,
George Than Setkyar
Heine, Maung Maung

Can you just feel as a 'Taiyintar' [(as you Bamars call them. We don't like to be called like this by the way)] or try to place yourself in their position for a few minutes? Then you will understand the situation(if you are a normal person or have brain to think). As long as you consider yourself as "Mahar Bamar" you will never understand others. Please try to grow the 'seed of understanding and respect for others' in your heart as Zaw Min.

Bum Tsaw Wrote:
27/07/2011
There is no such a racial hatred in this interview. The majority of Bamas or Burmans should really be ashamed of themselves for being ignorant of their racist attitude, which is one of the contributing factors to produce this rapist, murderous regime. They never learn lessons to develop sympathy towards non-Bama ethnic groups. As long as they are arrogant, ignorant and not brave enough to get rid of their Mahar Bama chauvinism they themselves will never free. Chauvinist Bamas deserve this callous regime as an English saying goes " people have the government they deserve."

We non-Bamas do Not deserve it. We are under Bama colony because we are weak just like the Bama kingdom destroyed by stronger English empire. If we are equally strong like Bama we will never be bullied. Even if we are under Bama rapist regime, our spirit is stronger than ever. It can never be defeated.

There should be more Burmans like Zaw Min to bury Bamas' long-rooted Mahar Bama chauvinism.

Ta Tut Wrote:
26/07/2011
You see KIO/A said there are so many armies like KIA in this country. So even Gov can't discuss political matter with everyone while there are a lot of different demands. So KIO/A and other armies join and form UNFC to discuss political matter with Burman. Burman also form a new what so called public gov. So the two can discuss easily about political matters. This UNFC things is not for KIA but for Gov to get help when they solve the problems easy. KIO/A really think like politically but what Burman think? they think UNFC is a joint forces to kill gov. So who have education and who have none?

bwanyunt Wrote:
26/07/2011
If KIA & Army chose to go for war, appreciate to fight until finished. No one left out or escape. Either one shall be wiped out to establish a peace once for all. No such things that all these stupid armed groups including Army can live together as status quo condition. It has created bigger problem in built up environment. No group is wise to compromise peace for all innocent races, both are showing off troops in media with useless propaganda & stockpiling weapons since stuck peace deal in 1994. It means they (both) are ready to go for war and so be it. As a Burmese, I do not like KIA as they are also as cruel as Army. Both are same, their hands are stained with innocent people's blood.

Kachin Highlander Wrote:
26/07/2011
Even Burmese exiles sound chauvinistic and ultra-nationalistic regarding ethnic nationalities. It is time for Myanmar colony to act like a people with integrity and moral. British colony shows their status by withdrawing their troops and governments from Burma, India, etc.. and recently Hong Kong. Myanmar colony must show their class to the world.

David Wrote:
26/07/2011
I do agree with U Ta Tut.

Ta Tut Wrote:
25/07/2011
You see it's not the problem of military dictatorship but the problem of human. Just see U Nu, after that all Burman leaders are bastard. You can't say its not true. KNU fight for more than independent years of burma. But Kachin only fight after U Nu sell a land of Kachin to chairman Mao of china. Some say it's because of gov made buddhism as a country religion. I say No! It just a lie of Burman. It was about selling our land without notice us. When we ask what U Nu said! Shut up you dogs! He really said kachin as dogs. Even a barbarian can't stand that. So what u say guys?

Zawgyi Wrote:
25/07/2011
I feel like this historian is a bit of racist.He blamed everything on Burmese. Although he named himself as historian,he miss a lot of root cause for current problems.He should realise not only all Burmese are good but also all Kachin.As you all know,china is threatening our nation at every sectors such as mentally, economically, politically, etc.

He should consider small independent Kachin state can stand along between china and India. Definitely it will become small township of China. I don't think all Kachin people want to be Chinese colonial state. We, Burmese also don't want to become like Soviet Union. We all need to unite as brothers and sisters.

The problems are because of military dictatorship and current politics (not because of all Burmese).

Let's our hands(Kachin, Kayin, Bamar, Shan, Mon, Rakhaing.....etc) grip tight and change political system together and share the pain and gain.

George Than Setkyar Heine Wrote:
25/07/2011
The Rev. Pungga Ja Li doesn't talk like a man of God, much less FAITH in his God as well as I noted in the first place.
He doesn't mention the Kachins made their mother of mistakes by betting on the wrong horse 17 years ago, signing ceasefire with the treacherous lot at Naypyidaw.
Now they are paying their dues today no less.
KNU is STANDING TALL TODAY and HOLDING THE FORT as well lest the Reverand forgets.
Though having lost faith in his God he is however praying to him until today when Thein Sein's hordes are poised to MURDER him and his people at Laiza.
Hence, a word in good faith and friendship here; FIGHT and STAY ALIVE as well in place of PRAYING or he will end up in between HEAVEN and HELL at the end of the day I say.

bwanyunt Wrote:
25/07/2011
It's better to jail him 169 years due to his ignorance of history in this useless interview. Irrawaddy should interview Dr. Tuja and give some better knowledge to readers. This so called historian willing to blame anyone at any cost except him. Short-sighted and useless guy!! Talk rubbish and never represent good quality Kachin.

Maung Maung Wrote:
24/07/2011
Don't blame the Panglong Treaty signed by Bogyoke Aung San and the Kachin leaders like sama Duwa Sinwa Nawng. The Kachins were given two Burmese towns, Myitkyina and Bhamo, so that they have plain region. Sama Duwa promised that Kachin will never secede from the Union of Burma and there is no provision for secession for the Kachin. Besides the Kachin State is not homogeneous. There are many other races in it and if the minorities there wish to secede from the Kachin-dominated Kachin State will they allow them.No way. So is with the Bamar. Mind you the present condition is deplorable, but it's not the work of Bamar. It's the military leadership. As for the Kachin culture there will be diffusion from all sides and the weaker culture will succumb. Why don't you fight the Christian missionaries in the first place? Adopt them if it is good or better like Bamar accepting Buddhism!

Zaw Min Wrote:
23/07/2011
It breaks my heart to read this article. We, including ASSK, the majority Bama are to blame as we are ignorant of the long sufferings of our ethnic minorities. It was only recently when we were dealt in the same way that the ethnic minorities were dealt with since the dawn of the history in Myanmar or Burma did we start to learn a bit of their sufferings because we start to suffer in the same way. But still we have a lot of learning and understanding to do. I just hope we can build together a land were every human being regardless of race or religion can live peacefully and harmoniously under a rule of law. I hope the ethnic minorities give us another chance and work together toward it.

ryan libre Wrote:
23/07/2011
great interview. takes me closer to the real situation in Laiza than all the news reports this week. thanks

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